Getting Personal


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Confused about personal pronouns? Think that because you are numerically gifted you can forget about the verbal stuff and that grammar is not for you? Think again. Here I am going to use logic to help you remember not to say: ‘to you and I’ or ‘with you and I’ or ‘from you and I’, which is very distressing to pedants like me and is something that the two of we should avoid.


D1 Definition 1. “I”, “you”, “we”, “they” are the subject forms of the personal pronouns. “Me”, “you”, “us”, “them” are the object forms.

D2 Definition 2  To”, “from”, “with”, “about”, “under”, “over” etc are prepositions.

P1  Proposition 1. Pronouns are variables

P2 Proposition 2 Prepositions are operators

P3  Proposition 3  You and I = we. You and me = us

A1 Axiom 1. Prepositions are operators, which when placed in front of pronouns, turn the variable (the pronoun) in question from subject to object form.

Examples: ‘to me’ and not ‘to I’ and ‘to us’ and not ’to we’

A2 Axiom 2 Prepositions obey a distributive law.

Example: I went to Switzerland and Peru = I went to Switzerland and to Peru.


Theorem. “To you and me” is good English.

Corollary. “To you and I” is bad English.


First proof. “To you and me” = “to you and to me” by A2, which involves no contradiction of A1. “To you and I” = “to you and to I” by A2 but this violates A1. Hence “to you and me” is correct.


Second proof  To you and me” = “to us” by P3, which involves no contradiction of A1. However, “To you and I” = “to we” by P3, which violates A1.




Thus, if you value simplicity and logic, do me a favour and don’t say ‘to you and I’.


Now remember, between you and me is between the two of us and that is good English but between you and I is between the two of we and that is an abomination.


More pedantry will appear when I have the energy.


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